Keep buying crap made in China suckers

[horns666]

Oh, I know you weren't begrudging anyone on that. I myself, still feel cognative disonance from having to do so.

Sad thing is that so many things are NOT even made in the US anymore... So, not buyable really anywhere other than from China sources. Ugh...

That's what I'm sayin'..

[markD]

it all comes down to greed. americans have priced themselves out of work, or the corporations demand a 200% profit margin.

the UAW is a great example. the worked really hard to get autoworkers benefits and decent salaries. now it is just a bloated, corrupt institution that has more than a finger on the decline of the american auto industry.

i agree that places like walmart eat asshole, but last time i went to a mom and pop shop for something, a comparable RCA product was 3 times the cost of a ching-a-ling made product at walmart. i bought the RCA anyway because i HATE walmart and i TRY to support local businesses, but it hurt my wallet.

as i have said on more than a few occassions, america is to greedy to REALLY care where it gets its products. success is measured by material wealth not self satisfaction, so "he with the most toys wins."

[FlyingSkull]

I understand the sentiments expressed here and have made some of these arguments myself about foreign products.

To be fair tho, I may be wet behind the ears but I'm still old enough to remember these same arguments being made about Japanese products back in the 80's. From cars to electronics to tools to whatever crap they were sending at the time. So now it's China, India is getting going and then ...

Was looking at Milwaukee and Ridgid chopsaws the otherday. Yup both made in China. I think Dewalt has their stuff made over there too.

[Cleveland Metal]

I can ONLY say, with how the economy here tanked, the days of people making 27 bucks an hour for manufacturing jobs are pretty much gone. This is probably all a big facade to get us back in line and to be happy as fuck to get that crappy ass busting job for 8-10 buck an hour and no benefits.

America has worked their way into this, and what else would it take to cleanse it? Devastate the economy, make workers starve, destroy their (overextended) credit, lose their unaffordable homes, and suffer not having jack shit for a while. F-ing reality check there kiddies. I know I've been pretty fucked since 9/11. So, I'm just curious how long we have to get fucked to get things back to a liveable condition.

I've never had much money or anything in my life. but, I was always able to pay my bills. I haven't been so able to do that. I'm just now hoping to get back close to being on track when some paychecks get here. What I'm doing now and getting paid ok for is BECAUSE people are robbing banks left and right here. People quit being desperate, I might even lose my job, haha....

Ugh, I'm thinking we "may" start making a few things here again when we can ever finally "afford" to pay American labor again.

[SEEGERMANY]

I want to open a massive store called "Made and Sold By Americans." The only problem, if I sell American made stuff, I'm gonna have to hire cheap labor. If I hire Americans, what the fuck am I going to sell cheap enough that people can afford?

[442w30]

I understand the sentiments expressed here and have made some of these arguments myself about foreign products.

To be fair tho, I may be wet behind the ears but I'm still old enough to remember these same arguments being made about Japanese products back in the 80's. From cars to electronics to tools to whatever crap they were sending at the time. So now it's China, India is getting going and then ...

Was looking at Milwaukee and Ridgid chopsaws the otherday. Yup both made in China. I think Dewalt has their stuff made over there too.

To a large degree, you are right - BUT at the time there were American products that compete(d) with the imports. American business has pretty much deserted American manufacturing - even in non-union states so that doesn't totally fly. American service industry is next on the chopping block. Seeing it daily.

To recap - the old codgers were right bemoaning imports, it has just completely overtaken domestic production to the point of no return now. It took 40 years to become reality but the folks complaining about Japanese imports were right and now places like Japan aren't reaping the benefits, but China.

When the deathstar is complete, and all manufacturing and all services that don't have to be performed on site are offshore, what are we all going to do to deserve our 2 cars, college education and home with a pool guys? don't need local managers for people that aren't here. And we can't all be CEOs.

What industry will fix this? Socialized medicine?

[CharvelRocker]

I want the most bang for my buck. If that means China gets that buck, so be it. To me buying American/China/Japan/whatever is a crapshoot these days. Especially with electronics. I've had imprtated "cheap" shit outlast American shit many times over.

I would opt to keep job here by buying Amercian. All my cars are American. I never owned any imports. Does that mean all the parts including my Sony car stereo was made here..?:think:

And ironically now the Japanese probably build as many autos in the US as the Big 3 build in Mexico and Canada. I also agree with it coming down to bang for the buck though. Only difference in tools. Unless I'm going to use it once, it has to be something made in the US or Germany (which a lot of my father's are). Some of this Chinese stuff is dangerously crappy. They are good from using them for tasks when you don't want to potentially damage a good tool though. I think good tools are one of the most underrated American-built items to every day man because most people now just pay someone else to do the work.

As for Wal-Mart, food and lawn supply prices are cheap, but the actual equiptment gets bought from someone who can actually fix it when it breaks beyond my ability to repair. One positive though is it does keep people employed (albeit the legality of their living in this country varies from area to area).

The problem with China is it will never become like Japan. The Japanese way of thinking was like this; instead of making a widget last 100,000 uses when it may only be used 30,000 they made it last 70,000. This cut costs and still made a good product. The Chinese way of thinking is quantity over quality right now. I also think the Japanese used to be pickier in the way things were put together, especially their finer products like cameras. Contax/Pentax used to be durable, precise, and very well made. We still have a SLR that is probably gonig on 35 years old. As long as the mentality is China is to build as many as cheaply and quickly as possible, I don't see them ever reaching this point.

[horns666]

I want to open a massive store called "Made and Sold By Americans." The only problem, if I sell American made stuff, I'm gonna have to hire cheap labor. If I hire Americans, what the fuck am I going to sell cheap enough that people can afford?

ummmmmm.......:think:

:idea:Oh..ummmmmmmmm...:think:

I dunno..:think:

I'm eating Easter candy..Good & Plenty and Jujyfruits..made in the USA!!

[Cleveland Metal]

The tragic reality is that a HUGE amount of the people here that are in the demographic that will work cheap, are absolute total f-ing retards that can't be trusted to stay out of jail, let alone actually make it to work reliably and maybe make something of any quality.

At least the chinese have a work ethic and "want" to work and do well in their job. Maybe they've had enough hardship to know what happens when you don't.

Most of the "A-hole" Americans, work just hard enough to not get fired.

Of course upper management has basically drove people that might actually worked hard and effectively, to lose initiative by the way they treat the workers. There's no doubt there.

I venture to say a lot guys here on a guitar collector board are from areas where there is some public sensibility with the general population to "some" extent. In the inner cities, a vast amount of the poorer people are absolutely ignorant freaks. Watch a few episode of COPs and that is what a large amount of the American public is about.

Other country's people are dying to come here for education and are happy to take the world by the balls and work (often back in their own countries of course). But many American cities are full of people that are worthless uneducated ignorant idiots with some deranged sense of entitlement and welfare state mentality.

With what I experience and see in the onner cities, I see why we're so fucked. And at some point, nothing short of few hundred effectively placed neutron bomb will help.

This is what we have to work with people. No stimulis package can fix dumbass ignorants fucks. You just can't fix stupid.

Yeah, do I sound bitter? Well ya got that shit straight....

[horns666]

No amount of money can fix stupid.

Unless we pay for ALL abortions. Why not..we are paying ALOT more for the ones that lived!

[Cleveland Metal]

Can't we just make abortion retroactive???

[Jayster]

Of course upper management has basically drove people that might actually worked hard and effectively, to lose initiative by the way they treat the workers. There's no doubt there.

Funny you should say this, I was informed today by my manager that 1 of our 3 tech specialists would be forced to go to 3rd shift because the guys on 3rd shift don't know what they're doing and it's unfair of him to expect his 3rd shift supervisor to deal with that issue! WTF? Oh yeah, the average experience level of the guys there now is 5 years. I can easily see how this could breed contempt and a loss of "caring".

[Cleveland Metal]

Exactly....

Or the people that are tremendously smarter than their smug fuckheaded superiors that are sick of being treated like shit and paid less when they know more while the superior rides on the coat tails of their intelligence.

[Jason1212]

A few things need to happen. Americans need to accept a lower wage, but at the same time wages in other countries need to come up. The average factory worker in China makes about 30 a month. They also need to increase tarrifs and taxes on imported items.

[Endrik]

btw. the Chinese make great products only they ship all the crap to the rest of the world... it's been going on since forever... a couple of centuries ago there was a huge Chinese culture trend in Europe mostly because of Chinese ceramics and art... and people, mostly in France, started ordering tons of Chinese porcelain... but the Chinese didn't sent their usual stuff to Europe, they made a separate production line, cheaper quality, cheaper labor etc. and just for the fuck of it they wrote stuff like "I hope you enjoy this you white shitheads" in Chinese characters as the western world didn't understand it anyway.