Soldano vs. Vetta 2

[Sinistas]

I think my problem is this:

Fans of modeling amps will usually admit that they prefer the sound of tube amps but like the versatility. People who don't like the concept state that the software/chipset will be obsolete, the resale value is low, the sound is "lifeless", etc. I don't like the sound of Marshalls, for example, but I won't go into a Marshall thread and keep stating my displeasure. That's not discussion, it's trolling.

[sevser]

Wow, amazing, tube people hating on the Vetta. Never thought I'd see the day. Newsflash: you can love tube amps and not trash modelers all the time.

Case in point: My band is about to open for Katatonia/Moonspell/Daylight Dies in October. My other guitarist fires up his Carvin MTS3200. Nope. Nothing. Tubes are DEAD. We're running behind, so what do I say? "Dude, just run your XT Live direct to the PA" (he was using it for effects). Saved our ass, and we sounded great from all accounts.

You want to hate on Line 6, go ahead. They might not be for you, but they're for somebody.

This is just a discussion...People sharing with people...Fuck...That sounded like Richard Simonds in pink tights...didn't it?

Thats cool about the XTLive situation and exactly why I feel safe with my rig...One or the other goes down...I can use one without the other...How cool is that?!

Tell your bud to pack extra tubes though! they are quite small and light...Not too hard to pack around with ya...

[Twisteramps]

sheesh. I am not hating on modellers in any way shape or form. All I said was resale value drops when the next model comes out. This has been proven over time.

This thread is (was) about vetta vs Soldano. I fail to see what a TSL, 2000 or Peavey VTM has to do with it.

You guys need to relax. We all like amps.

Sorry, I thought it would be ok to compare modelling amps to tube amps in general regarding value. You certainly commented on AX2 values also. Last I knew, that didn't fall into Vetta vs Soldano.

[thenine]

sheesh. I am not hating on modellers in any way shape or form. All I said was resale value drops when the next model comes out. This has been proven over time.

This thread is (was) about vetta vs Soldano. I fail to see what a TSL, 2000 or Peavey VTM has to do with it.

You guys need to relax. We all like amps.

[Sinistas]

Wow, amazing, tube people hating on the Vetta. Never thought I'd see the day. Newsflash: you can love tube amps and not trash modelers all the time.

Case in point: My band is about to open for Katatonia/Moonspell/Daylight Dies in October. My other guitarist fires up his Carvin MTS3200. Nope. Nothing. Tubes are DEAD. We're running behind, so what do I say? "Dude, just run your XT Live direct to the PA" (he was using it for effects). Saved our ass, and we sounded great from all accounts.

You want to hate on Line 6, go ahead. They might not be for you, but they're for somebody.

[Twisteramps]

No, actually I'm not kidding.

I'll say it again, how much are AX2's worth nowadays? It is inevitable. When the next model comes out the previous model is worth less.

Modelling or tubes or whatever you say? Someone who bought a new SLO 10 years ago could sell it today and not "take a bath". They hold their value pretty well.

...and if you bought a Peavey VTM new, you'd have REALLY lost your ass. I bought a VTM60 several months ago for $129 at a pawn shop. Guy actually thanked me for buying it, said they had it for months. Some manufacturers are going to hold value better than others. If you hold onto it forever and a day, damn near any Marshall will probably end up being worth more than you paid. No offense to Marshall fans, but I'd like to see a JCM2000 hold up for another 20 years.

Looking at completed auctions on ebay, I see someone paid $450 for an ax2 w/footswitch!

Pete

[danastas]

I use the Midi UNO.

[jgcable]

No, actually I'm not kidding.

I'll say it again, how much are AX2's worth nowadays? It is inevitable. When the next model comes out the previous model is worth less.

Modelling or tubes or whatever you say? Someone who bought a new SLO 10 years ago could sell it today and not "take a bath". They hold their value pretty well.

Here is the big difference. The AX2 is not flash upgradeable. The Vetta is.

Thats why the AX2 isn't around or popular anymore.

[Sanctuary]

Make sure you get a few nice patches from some of the more generous posters on this board, as soon as it arrives. It will makea world of difference, and it will give you insight into tweaking the thing. A midi cable helps as well.

A normal USB midi cable, right? Ok. Cool.

[danastas]

But you're comparing an AX2 to a Vetta II.

I mean, if they can actually improve on the Vetta II, then there will be no need for any tube amps at all.

The two amps are two entirely different things. With the Vetta 2, they've come close to perfecting what they're doing. Look at the Roland Cube. I still haven't heard a better clean channel on any other modeller or a great many tube amps. Not on the Soldano either. Fender Deluxe Reverb, yeah, but that little modelling CUBE is as close to perfect as it gets, on the clean channel.

[thenine]

No, actually I'm not kidding.

I'll say it again, how much are AX2's worth nowadays? It is inevitable. When the next model comes out the previous model is worth less.

Modelling or tubes or whatever you say? Someone who bought a new SLO 10 years ago could sell it today and not "take a bath". They hold their value pretty well.

[jgcable]

Did anyone notice I said "resale value"? How much are AX2's worth now a days? The same can be said for Vetta1 vs Vetta2. The prices drop when the next 'model' comes out. Good tube amps will hold their own, sometimes increase.

I'm not debating tone here. Strictly on resale value (which is all I said), over time, the Soldano will win.

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Are you kidding me??? A new Vetta is $1699.00
A used Vetta is $1000-$1100

A new Marshall TSL 100 is around $1299.00+
A used TSL100 is $750.00

I bought a used Tremoverb head for $900.00
I could go on and on and on with examples.
Just about every piece of gear on the planet takes a huge hit when you sell it used. Just like cars. There are some rare exceptions (just like cars too) but for the most part, you are going to take a bath if you buy an amp new and then decide to sell it. Modeling or tubes or whatever.

[quiksilver]

Sanctuary just said it...Half price! Doesn't sound like it held its value too much...Line6 does pretty good with keeping users going but...It will be out done just like any other CPU...

Another good reason to spilt you rig...I might have to drop $ on new XTLive (or similar) but I'll always have my power amp and cabs!

and if my xt goes down I can still plug straight in to my XXX...If a vetta goes down...Yerrr out!

I like your logic. I am pretty happy with my XTL, and I agree that it's nice to have less $ into a portable, sturdy, reliable (thus far) package that can be plugged into a tube amp if you wish.

[danastas]

Make sure you get a few nice patches from some of the more generous posters on this board, as soon as it arrives. It will makea world of difference, and it will give you insight into tweaking the thing. A midi cable helps as well.

[skorb]

I will say this.
if your fundage is not unlimited, and you only can afford to spend about $1000 on an amp total, including cab, which is a lot of people, then a used Vetta combo upgraded to 2.5 with the floorboard is by far the most amp you can get for your money.

that, and the killer tone, with the two amps at once mixing in stereo, sold me on the Vetta. I've been blown away by it, for what I spent.