USA Production Series Appreciation Thread

[Grandturk]

Enough talk about how awesome Kahlers are and let's get back to the point!!!

How about that awesome knob? Personally, I love it. Feels good, rolls around in your fingers nicely... mine has even started to wear a little bit around the top.

[6string40]

while my balls don't pop out when I'm dive bombing...

Thank God for that...I don't want to see that shit!!!! :ROTF:

[Grandturk]

5. Easier to string.

I don't know about that - I always have trouble with getting the ball ends to stay in the cup when theres no tension on the string. I need a third arm.

Now a Floyd - that's easy - unlock, pop in a new string, tune, repeat x6, lock the nut, done.

The hamstring on the Kahler is that it's single locking - while my balls don't pop out when I'm dive bombing - they can shift a bit and that means it might not come back in tune - there's ways around this - mine is set up right and stays in tune - but it would be even better if it was double locking, and if it had a floyd nut.

[Newc]

Looking at how the balls fit in the cups reminds me of how many perfectly good strings were ruined when the balls turned slightly in the cup, which caused the part of the string that wraps around the ball to break.

Then there was all the times the string popped off the roller during a dive.

Not to mention that the balls would stick and have grooves cut into them that gripped the string, and eventually sawed it in half.

Having to oil 10 different moving parts regularly, 4-piece saddles, more screws than the rest of the guitar combined, and the entire thing moved when you adjusted the fine tuners, rather than just the one string/saddle.

Yay Kahlers! :ROTF:


The only upsides:
1. Not as loose as a Floyd, making it better for slide-effects.
2. At least 5 times more mass than the wood which was removed for the spring cavity.
3. Laterally-adjustable saddles to correct crooked installations and to tweak string spacing.
4. Individually-adjustable saddle height to match any radius without shims.
5. Easier to string.

[Grandturk]

Oh he did say cam, didn't he. Well, the string and cam both move in the same direction when you whammy. I've never had a problem there either... If they're moving in the same direction there really shouldn't be enough friction to cut into the cam.

[Newc]

I don't see how that would happen at all. If you look at the pic I posted, the "reinforced" section of the strings are no where near the rollers. Maybe different string brands, but I've never seen the wrap section go that long.

Not the rollers on the saddles, the actual cam barrel. That's what he's talking about.

[Grandturk]

I always loved how the reinforced area of the strings would just saw through the roller cam as you moved the bar and create sharp grooves that would break your strings. Then you got to use emery cloth in them to smooth them out so they wouldn't break strings. Than your strings would saw through them again. Lather, rinse, repeat. Lather, rinse, repeat.

I don't see how that would happen at all. If you look at the pic I posted, the "reinforced" section of the strings are no where near the rollers. Maybe different string brands, but I've never seen the wrap section go that long.

[Flatpicker]

My love of Kahlers is based on subtlety.
It was my first "real" trem as I had it on a parts mutt with a killer guild neck and a dinky body.
I could flutter that trem and just loved the feel of the cam over the knife edge.

[Newc]

I had a Kahler on a Les Paul copy many eons ago and while it was better for getting slide effects than a Floyd, that was about all it was good for. The Behind-the-nut-locking-nut thing defeated the purpose entirely, and the ball-cup thing meant that deep dives caused your strings to pop out of the cup.

Not to mention it had entirely too many moving/jointed parts.

[nhspike]

Thanks for the cool new wallpaper Steve!

[zakky_venom]

im loving that white pointy in the middle!

[JACKSONWOLF]

Firstly, your welcome to all the Kahlers in the world, I've got one on my 84 Pointy and wish it was a Floyd!!

Back to the production Charvel's, first is my own San Dimas Style 1 in Slime Green and the others have all come through my shop (well, my Boss' shop anyway!!). I shall eventually, modify my Greenie with Bareknuckles and a genuine German Floyd.







Other Productions...















Cheers
Steve

[Chubtone]

Best Trem Ever Designed.

I always loved how the reinforced area of the strings would just saw through the roller cam as you moved the bar and create sharp grooves that would break your strings. Then you got to use emery cloth in them to smooth them out so they wouldn't break strings. Than your strings would saw through them again. Lather, rinse, repeat. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Then the tone issue was subjective but I greatly preferred Floyds.

Plus the Floyds felt more like you were connected to the guitar and you could feel the note change as you moved the bar like you were mechanically changing the pitch. The Kahlers always felt disassociated from the guitar when you were using them, like you were electronically changing the pitch. They felt more like the pitch bend wheel on a keyboard than a piece that was connected to the guitar.

[Dred]

How about a Kahler appreciation thread????

Eeew... Kahler


As a matter of fact, I'm quite intrigued at this point. Maybe they're worth checking out after all.

[Grandturk]

Best Trem Ever Designed.
Would take that over a floyd on any guitar.
Wish Charvel would put out 1 model with them.

And it's just damn sexy, too.