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jw3571
09-15-2012, 07:13 PM
I'm trying to decide if I should get a Soloist with a whammy bar or not. I initially thought I wanted one since I didn't have a guitar with one. I've read on here that it makes changing a tuning kind of a pain. What are other things I should consider? I saw someone say that it makes the strings floppier and softer to play, is this true? If you strum a floyd rose guitar it feels different than a non floyd? Help school me, thanks.

xenophobe
09-15-2012, 07:24 PM
Which pair of jeans will fit me the best?

Go to a music store and try some out.

Nightbat
09-15-2012, 07:54 PM
I saw someone say that it makes the strings floppier and softer to play, is this true? If you strum a floyd rose guitar it feels different than a non floyd?

IMO yes, a floyd has a more elastic feeling than a fixed bridge

I could understand some people having preference of one above the other, but either won't make eachother unplayable

vector
09-15-2012, 07:54 PM
I think what Xenophobe is trying to say is it's difficult, not to mention time-consuming to try and explain the nuances of a Floyd-ed guitars vs. not. All you need to do is go to a music store with a few Floyded axes in stock and fuck around with them a bit. In the event that you live in the Tundra or the African bush and don't have access to a music store, I'll reveal this much:
Yes, Floyded guitars are a LOT more involved and labor intensive when it comes to string changes. But after you've done it a few dozen times you don't really notice or mind.
Floating FR's (when they're set to pull up as well as push down) definitely "give" a bit when you bend the strings. Again, after a time, you get over it and adjust your playing style. Or not. Then you give up on Floyds.
Your best bet is to get on line and do a Google search as well as look up YouTube vids on comparisons and tutorials.
Bottom line? In the hours it would take to type all of that info, you could be well-informed from a resource rich internet and have 1st hand experience trying one out.

xenophobe
09-15-2012, 08:30 PM
I think what Xenophobe is trying to say is it's difficult, not to mention time-consuming to try and explain the nuances of a Floyd-ed guitars vs. not.

Exactly. And also, it's very subjective. What may or may not seem like a big difference to you may or may not be to someone else.

Also, floating bridges can be blocked to prevent going out of pitch when bending or changing to alternate tunings, so any possible shortcomings can be remedied.

Floyd Rose systems offer, for the most part, much better tuning stability than fixed bridge guitars, though that varies from guitar to guitar. My SL2GX string through soloist went out of tune if you looked at it funny. My ESP Flying V and my Charvel DX1 can both remain stable for weeks and this will vary from guitar to guitar, so writing a 1000 word post to explain all the nuances that you could figure out from 10 minutes of playing with several different guitars is much easier to say.

dannyr
09-16-2012, 09:51 AM
Go with the Floyd! If you've never owned one, why not buy it and see if you like it. You may fall in love with it, or if not you can always sell it. Either way it will help you grow as a guitar player.

Chief_CrazyTalk
09-16-2012, 10:33 AM
Floyds are waaay better than any other kind of bridge. More complicated to change strings or set up, but worth every bit of trouble. They detune slightly when you bend strings but you learn to play them. I have a tele that holds tune pretty well but other than that and a strat, I'd never consider buying a guitar without a Floyd Rose.

vector
09-16-2012, 04:20 PM
Floyds are waaay better than any other kind of bridge. More complicated to change strings or set up, but worth every bit of trouble. They detune slightly when you bend strings but you learn to play them. I have a tele that holds tune pretty well but other than that and a strat, I'd never consider buying a guitar without a Floyd Rose.

That's crazy talk, Chief! :lol: Sorry, couldn't resist.
Actually, changing strings on a Kahler, IMO, is more complicated- especially if done according to recommendations. Solder the windings? Pre-bend them to fit the cam? Sprinkle graphite dust? WTF!

VanHoosen
09-16-2012, 07:36 PM
Kahler's are terrible. Tuning and string breaking problems all around.

LaoWai
09-16-2012, 07:50 PM
I prefer Floyds, when I switched, it was a little weird palm muting as putting too much pressure in the wrong area can change the pitch. Once you find the sweet spot, its bliss. Changing strings is relatively painless when swapping out for the same gauge & brand. Now, playing fixed bridge guitars is strange cause I'm always reaching for the bar.

roodyrocker
09-16-2012, 08:07 PM
Kahler's are terrible. Tuning and string breaking problems all around.

Not turn this into a Floyd vs Kahler debate but... Kahlers are not terrible and I don't have string breaking problems with them. I can change strings as quick if not quicker than on a Floyd. I have had both Kahlers and Floyds since the 80's and still play both out live in my band. They both work fine. Its usually someone's fear of switching from a fixed bridge or string thru to a trem that is the issue just like what is being asked here.
I have no plroblems going from my Floyded to my Kahlered guiatrs and back to my fixed bridges. They're all good :)

Force
09-17-2012, 05:21 AM
Floyds rule........period (by this I mean floating bridges).

Force
09-17-2012, 05:29 AM
Ha ha, beat ya all to it 4572

micha
09-17-2012, 11:47 AM
yaay.... awesome... :think: :lol:


I saw someone say that it makes the strings floppier and softer to play, is this true? If you strum a floyd rose guitar it feels different than a non floyd?

Guess that was me... :D
Yes it does feel different IMO. First your right hand rests differently on any system. Floyds just feel different for your right hand.
But I think they're very comfy.
You will also feel a difference between recessed and non recessed floyds. On the non recessed ones there's a bit more room between body and strings and the neck is slightly tilted. I prefer recessed (not only for the pull ups) but I own both and none of them is a no go.

As far as string tension goes, the strings actually have the same tension as on non floyded guitars (Otherwhise the tone/pitch would be different, right?).
But a floyd gives a little when you pick it. I actually prefer to keep this effect little by using many springs on the rear, this way it feels more direct to me, but it also makes the floyd less responsive to whammy actions.

I'm with dannyr, go and get one, you can always sell.
Having a look in a store would be the first step, but I'd not judge by that small impression.
In many stores guitars aren't really set up well, you can adjust so many things on a floyd and the time is just too short to see wether you like it....
I'd give it a try and time will tell.

Maiden89
09-17-2012, 01:42 PM
I prefer floating bridges over string through or hard tail. You will really never know if you like it or not if you don't try it though. Listen to what everyone is saying and go to a music store and dick around with some floyd rose equipped guitars and ask some questions about them to the music store people.

My first floating bridge guitar was a Cort. I bought it at the music store and the owner said he would do free string changes for a year on it, so I was like cool:cool:. After breaking a couple sets of strings, I finally got the hang of how to change it and set up the bridge. I love them now! All of my guitars after the Cort were floyd equipped.

They also do have a softer feel to me when their floating. It's also very hard to explain every nuisance too. Sometimes you'll get your guitar tuned and when you lock the nuts it will go sharp and sometimes it will go flat. It's kind of weird, but you'll get used to it and grow to love setting up your floyd (or not).

VanHoosen
09-17-2012, 04:04 PM
Not turn this into a Floyd vs Kahler debate but... Kahlers are not terrible and I don't have string breaking problems with them. I can change strings as quick if not quicker than on a Floyd. I have had both Kahlers and Floyds since the 80's and still play both out live in my band. They both work fine. Its usually someone's fear of switching from a fixed bridge or string thru to a trem that is the issue just like what is being asked here.
I have no plroblems going from my Floyded to my Kahlered guiatrs and back to my fixed bridges. They're all good :)

To each their own, and I wont disagree with your fondness of Kahlers. I really wanted to like them at first because they do actually feel exceptionally smooth, and their non-intrusive design is really quite beautiful. But, on the other hand, my Kahler Flyer would break strings pretty much without fail after executing a high pull-up, and I even actually broke through a saddle once! I can't speak to the other Kahler models, but the Flyer turned me off almost entirely. That coupled with its sometimes shoddy tuning stability was just too much (though this could have been a direct result of the nut that was installed on the guitar). If I could find a Kahler that worked as well as my Floyds, I'd be all for them.

AdRock
09-17-2012, 04:27 PM
In my opinion, the best thing you can do is try one for yourself. Find a smaller local shop to go to instead of the box box music stores. At a smaller local shop you stand a much higher chance of getting good info. Then tell them what you would like to know and ask them if you could try one. Chances are that the guitars they have will be in much better shape than all the abused axes at the local GC or Sam Ash.

Jayster
09-17-2012, 10:23 PM
Rule 1) If your aggressive as fuck and only play (no bitches will be at my show death style)metal ~ Avoid the floyd
Rule 2) If your a guitarist who has actual fun playing screw it, you probably have a back up in case a string breaks ....


Rule 3) It's always better to have chicks at your shows, even if you suck, they'll help fill seats (booking 101)

VanHoosen
09-18-2012, 12:04 PM
Rule 1) If your aggressive as fuck and only play (no bitches will be at my show death style)metal ~ Avoid the floyd

I think Rick Rozz would disagree. ;)

toejam
09-18-2012, 12:21 PM
Rule 1) If your aggressive as fuck and only play (no bitches will be at my show death style)metal ~ Avoid the floyd

Tell that to my fiance who loves death metal! :D