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    At the moment, I own two electric guitars, a Jackson Shannon Soloist and an ESP/Edwards Les Paul Custom. Both are the best guitars I have ever owned and it is unlikely I will ever get rid of them.

    I have difficulty squeezing pinch harmonics out of the Soloist but they fly off my Les Paul with ease.

    What factors contribute to how easy pinch harmonics are to perform on electric guitars of similar build quality?

    I honestly did not think the pickups mattered too much, until I realized that the Seymour Duncan JB is described on their website as having "harmonics galore". I have a JB in the bridge of the Les Paul, and the Duncan Designed version of the JB in the bridge of my old Jackson KE3 which also had excellent harmonics and amazing still when I upgraded the KE3's pickups to EMG-85 and EMG-89.

    I recently swapped pickups in the Shannon Soloist, and while the sound is overall better, the pinch harmonics stayed reasonably difficult to articulate well.

    It's frustrating because I want to do divebombs and pullups from pinch harmonics and really make this guitar scream.

  • #2
    I'm a pinch Harmonic fool on my Strats and my Les Paul... It takes a little effort for my Jacksons.... and I don't think they sound as good.
    2009 Les Paul Kit - GFS Dream 90 (N), SD Seth Lover (B)
    2009 Gibson Les Paul Worn Brown
    2009 Epiphone Studio Deluxe
    2008 Epiphone Custom - SD P-Rail(N), Fat Pat (B)
    2008 Ovation Celebrity CC48
    2007 Agile AL3000 - SD Alinco II set
    2005 Epiphone Standard - SD Pearly Gate (N),SD Alinco II (B)
    2004 Epiphone Custom Plus Top
    2004 Gibson SG Faded - Stock
    1997 Epiphone Slash Snakepit
    1995 Fender Strat - SD Lil 59' Bridge, SD Hotrail Middle, Stock Neck


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    • #3
      I think it's a scale length thing. I don't own anything other than Jackson or Charvel guitars, but every time I try a Fender Strat in a music store it's pinch harmonic heaven...I can't say the same for Les Paul type guitars, for me it requires much more effort and concentration. My Soloist is a bit easier, but not as easy as a Strat...if only they weren't so ugly/weedy.

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      • #4
        I haven't found a difference whatsoever for pinch harmonics with guitars..I can do 'em on any guitars including acoustics..and even on bass!

        What I have discovered is different amps and gain structures make a HUGE difference of how harmonics and squeals are conveyed.

        Even tho my Uber has gobs of gain, it isn't nearly "ping" friendly as my Marshall.
        "Bill, Smoke a Bowl and Crank Van Halen I, Life is better when I do that"
        Donnie Swanstrom 01/25/06..miss ya!

        "Well, your friend would have Bell's Palsy, which is a facial paralysis, not "Balls Pelsy" like we're joking about here." Toejam's attempt at sensitivity.

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        • #5
          It's a scale length and construction thing. I find that I have to move my picking hand away from my "comfort zone" to get harmonics on some guitars.
          I'm currently setting up a little cheapy Les Paul Jr-alike for a friend. I had pretty much decided that it was a toneless plank, as I just couldn't pull harmonics. However, I tried picking the strings much further toward the neck joint, over where the neck pickup would have been, and the thing screams! I can get sick low-end howls that'd make Zakk Wylde get a shower and a shave for.

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          • #6
            Have you tried pinching them up and down the body? Could be that the sweet spot moves a fraction of an inch from where you're used to pulling them.

            I am convinced that certain strings brands/types are shit for pinching as well. I use DR Highbeams on most stuff. Squeals galore.

            Vass

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            • #7
              No issues here with either my SL2H (stock pickups) or my Gibson R0 Les Paul with Burstbuckers 1 & 2 (low output Alnico II).

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              • #8
                I can get pinch harmonics on my PC1, Austin LP copy and my RG560 with ease.
                My 5A is dead. It's a struggle to make that bitch squeal. It has a JB in it just like the LP copy.
                My two strats are hit and miss.
                -Rick

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                • #9
                  You just have to look for the sweet spot on any guitar..I never had any problems.
                  "Bill, Smoke a Bowl and Crank Van Halen I, Life is better when I do that"
                  Donnie Swanstrom 01/25/06..miss ya!

                  "Well, your friend would have Bell's Palsy, which is a facial paralysis, not "Balls Pelsy" like we're joking about here." Toejam's attempt at sensitivity.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Number Of The Priest View Post
                    I have difficulty squeezing pinch harmonics out of the Soloist but they fly off my Les Paul with ease.
                    that's b/c Zakk plays a LP man, come on!
                    the guitar players look damaged - they've been outcasts all their lives

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Snoogans View Post
                      It's a scale length and construction thing. I find that I have to move my picking hand away from my "comfort zone" to get harmonics on some guitars.
                      I'm currently setting up a little cheapy Les Paul Jr-alike for a friend. I had pretty much decided that it was a toneless plank, as I just couldn't pull harmonics. However, I tried picking the strings much further toward the neck joint, over where the neck pickup would have been, and the thing screams! I can get sick low-end howls that'd make Zakk Wylde get a shower and a shave for.
                      Snoogs said it best..IMO!

                      ya just gotta find the g spot.
                      "Bill, Smoke a Bowl and Crank Van Halen I, Life is better when I do that"
                      Donnie Swanstrom 01/25/06..miss ya!

                      "Well, your friend would have Bell's Palsy, which is a facial paralysis, not "Balls Pelsy" like we're joking about here." Toejam's attempt at sensitivity.

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                      • #12
                        I think strings and pickups also play a major part in being able to squeeze out pinch harmonics... If you have old, used, corroded strings, it will not carry all harmonic frequencies as prominently (or for as long) as new strings, and if you have pickups that aren't high output / trebly, then that won't help either...

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by varador View Post
                          I think strings and pickups also play a major part in being able to squeeze out pinch harmonics... If you have old, used, corroded strings, it will not carry all harmonic frequencies as prominently (or for as long) as new strings, and if you have pickups that aren't high output / trebly, then that won't help either...
                          ..no..that's not it.
                          "Bill, Smoke a Bowl and Crank Van Halen I, Life is better when I do that"
                          Donnie Swanstrom 01/25/06..miss ya!

                          "Well, your friend would have Bell's Palsy, which is a facial paralysis, not "Balls Pelsy" like we're joking about here." Toejam's attempt at sensitivity.

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                          • #14
                            I'm still confused, what pickup is in your Shannon Soloist bridge position now? The original bridge pickup in it is a Duncan Pearly Gates which is a pretty weak bridge pickup although I like it as a neck pickup.
                            Rudy
                            www.metalinc.net

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                              I personally do not care how it was built as long as it is a good playing/sounding instrument.

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