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  • Okay, I'm an anime nut: Dragonball Z and Naruto compared.

    Well I haven't exactly made it a secret that I really dig series like Naruto and my "Great Saiyaman" moniker on the Hentai site where I post my work show that I also have a big affinity going for Dragonball Z.

    I also made myself the lucky owner of the new Dragonball Z boxsets of the first, second the third seasons which are digitally remastered from the original Japanese film which automatically means that the cuts made by Pioneer and by Funimation are not there anymore and that I can watch them in Japanese which to me adds to the authenticity.

    A buddy of mine introduced me to Naruto saying that "if you love Dragonball Z than you really will love Naruto." He was right and not only that but Naruto artist Masashi Kishimoto must be a bigger DBZ fan than I am because in his books he even admits to nicking a lot of ideas of DBZ and using them in Naruto.

    And one I knew that I started scouting the series to see what Kishimoto nicked and once I knew what to look for, I found a LOT

    Spoilers ahead: If you don't want the lowdown on the most important things happening in the series before reading/seeing them for yourself, look away.

    Chi and Chakra
    In martial arts and in Yoga "Chi" is your body's energy and it's also the Japanese word for wood, referring to your body's inner core. The more chi you have the stronger the fighter you are. Martial artists and fakir artists train to be able to concentrate as much chi into a single point of their body to get it as strong as possible. Which is why a Fakir can walk over burning coals bare footed and not get burned. In DBZ "chi" also works that way but the characters also have the ability to use "Chi" to sense how strong the opponent is. And they also use "Chi" as beams fired from their hands or even from their mouths and as a way to push themselves into the air and fly. In Naruto "Chi" was renamed "Chakra" and the concept is the same as in DBZ. People can sense each other's "Chakra" and by doing so can tell how strong their opponent is and "Chakra", like "Chi" is used as a means of both propulsion through the air or as the way to power beams and other special attacks.

    Son Goku versus Naruto Uzumaki
    Let's compare the leadcharacters who have a lot in common. First of all the way they look.

    They both wear orange with Blue fighting uniforms which also has the emblem of their gang or in Naruto's case Family they belong to. When Goku turns super saiyan his hair turns gold and spiked and his eyes become blue, now look at Naruto's hairdo.
    But it doesn't stop there. Both of them are able to turn into very destructive monsters: a huge monkey in Goku's case and a Ninetailed Fox in Naruto's case. This Nine tailed fox also brings in another thing that Naruto has in common with Goku. When Goku transforms into super Saiyan he gets a golden glow of energy around him and as I mentioned earlier his hair turns gold and his eyes turn blue. When Naruto uses the fox demon inside him his eyes turn red, he gets a red glow of energy around him and he grows fans and claws.
    Where the characters differ from each other is personality, Naruto has a mean streak, pulling pranks on others and being the village idiot. Goku is as nice a guy as you'll ever meet even to his enimies he's always fair. But traits they both share is are the ability to win friends and their unstoppable drive to improve.

    Vegeta and Sasuke Uchiha

    As with Goku and Naruto, these two also have a lot in common. The color of their clothing for example but also because they are the sole survivors of a massacre that wiped out their entire families. And they also share their aggitated look and their "I don't have time for this nonsense" attitude. What they also have in common is the way they relate to Goku/Naruto. In both cases the Leadcharacter is both their biggest rival as well as their most trusted ally. Vegeta took great pride that he has learned to ability to feel somebody's powerlevel being the first non-earthling who mastered doing so, Sasuke has Sharingan eyes with which he can see the flow of his opponent's "Chakra" Another thing they have in common is their frustration to live up to their pedigrees, Vegeta as the prince of the Saiyan empire and Sasuke as the sole surviving member of the most skilled fighting clan of his town Konoha. The both of them are so frustrated that a "Low class warrior" and a "Class clown" keep outdoing them, they deliberately offered themselves to the evil forces searching for power. Vegeta to dark magician Babidy and Sasuke to Orochimaru. Pride playing a huge role in this, so much so that they are willing to leave their loved ones behind just to live up to the image they have of themselves and how they want people to see them. While secretly respecting their rivals for their power and giving them a reason to carry on.

    It's the little things that Matter
    One of the funniest characters from DBZ were "The Ginyu Special force" who always took great care into appearing on the scene of a fight with elaborate poses. In Naruto it's Gai Maito who does so, he always appears on scene with his signature "spring of youth" pose and his number one pupil Rock Lee also takes care into getting that pose just right.

    Goku first met his sensei Kame sennin Muten Roshi when rescuiing a speaking turtle who was Muten Roshi's underling ("Kame Sennin" means "Turtle hermit") In the episode where Gai Maito first appeared he was announced by a speaking turtle much in the same way as Muten Roshi appeared on the scene.

    The big fight between Goku and Vegeta in the seventh season of DBZ and the Fight between Naruto and Sasuke also have a lot of paralel things going on: in both fights the victor just can't get himself to finish the opponent off and the way they show mutual respect to the other also matches.

    Finally, here's some quotes with which I'll end my essay.
    Goku (during his first battle against Vegeta) He's far stronger than I ever imagined and yet I feel extatic. So utterly excited by the prospect of fighting him.

    Sasuke: (As a reaction to seeing Naruto smiling before his first fight against Naruto starts) WHAT'S SO FUNNY?
    Naruto: Nothing, I'm just excited to finally see for myself how strong you are and how we compare. I always looked up to you as the pinnacle of power so the prospect of fighting you gets me really excited.

    So in conclusion, would I call "Naruto" as a series a "Dragonball Z rip-off? Certainly not, the plots are entirely different, the storylines do not match and the general feel of both series is entirely different. What Kishimoto did was taking the best of Dragonball Z and making it his. In the same way that Jimi Hendrix took Bob Dylan's "All along the watchtower" and made it his, or that Johnny Cash took Nine Inch Nails' "Hurt" and made it his or that Joe Cocker took the Beatles "with a little help from my friends" and made it his.

    It's no straight copy, it's a hommage and in the same way a re-invention. Naruto and Dragonball Z are two different series but based around matching characters.

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    interesting...
    GEAR:

    some guitars...WITH STRINGS!!!! most of them have those sticks like on guitar hero....AWESOME!!!!

    some amps...they have some glowing bottle like things in them...i think my amps do that modelling thing....COOL, huh?!?!?!

    and finally....

    i have those little plastic "chips" used to hit the strings...WHOA!!!!

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    • #3
      All I know is that DragonBall Z cartoon was the worst crap my son would watch when he was young.

      All Episodes went like this.

      Spikey hair dudes get in fight with whatever villian(usually green) of the day there is.

      All fight go 'OOOOOHHHHHHHHGGRRRRRRRRR AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH OOOOOHHHHHHHH"
      balls of fire shoot out of hands.

      Villian laugh "HAHAHA I am only using 1% of my powers you have no chance"


      5 more minutes of "OOOOHJHHHHHH GRRRRRRRRRRRR AHHHHHHHHHH" From Spikey hair kid

      Villian "You Fool you have no chance, now I will use all my power."


      2 more minutes of "OOOOHHHHH GRRRRRRRR AHHHHHHHHH"

      Mushroom Cloud

      Spikey hair kid wins.


      The End

      and sometime Spikey hair kid has a little spikey hair kid with him.


      I told my son, you can't watch this stupid crap no more. watch some looney tunes kid.
      Come and get one in the yarbles, if you have any yarbles, you yunick jelly thou!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by VinceV View Post
        I told my son, you can't watch this stupid crap no more. watch some looney tunes kid.
        Sounds like your son watched the cut up version I mentioned in opening of my post and it also sounds like you don't know a lot about the series itself because DBZ had more going on than the way of fighting you describe. It's a coming of age story of a young boy who learns martial arts and later of that leadcharacter as an adult man and his son.

        Not to mention that it also had a terrific sense of humor which was very similar to Loony Tunes.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Blazer View Post
          Not to mention that it also had a terrific sense of humor which was very similar to Loony Tunes.
          I thought the constant stream of Acme packages to Goku's house looked familiar....
          Hail yesterday

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Blazer View Post
            Sounds like your son watched the cut up version I mentioned in opening of my post and it also sounds like you don't know a lot about the series itself because DBZ had more going on than the way of fighting you describe. It's a coming of age story of a young boy who learns martial arts and later of that leadcharacter as an adult man and his son.

            Not to mention that it also had a terrific sense of humor which was very similar to Loony Tunes.
            I'm with VinceV on this...I went through the a similar experience with my boys, I didn't quite get it. They take way too long to get to the punchline, I guess. Once I introduced them to good old 40's through 60's Looney Tunes, and WB stuff, we had a lot of laughs together.

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            • #7
              Vegeta is a fuckin badass mutherfucker......
              I can't handle Naruto since I found out his voice is done by a 60 year old woman.....kinda ruined it for me...that and all of the fight scenes have that annoying ass 15 minute long preamble where the characters explain all their "techniques" to their opponent beforehand instead of just doing them and getting it over with........I'd rather watch Bleach, Ichigo is hilarious and Renji RULES!!!
              I'm not into hell.........I just dig the soundtrack.........

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              • #8
                Originally posted by outsider666 View Post
                Vegeta is a fuckin badass mutherfucker......
                I can't handle Naruto since I found out his voice is done by a 60 year old woman.....kinda ruined it for me...that and all of the fight scenes have that annoying ass 15 minute long preamble where the characters explain all their "techniques" to their opponent beforehand instead of just doing them and getting it over with........I'd rather watch Bleach, Ichigo is hilarious and Renji RULES!!!
                Heh, you've just named another thing Naruto and Goku have in common: they are both voiced by Women.

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                • #9
                  I don't watch neither of them, but I know-from a friend- that Gaara has "Love" written on his forehead in Kanji and that's quite emo.
                  I wish my hair-color was EDS :/

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                  • #10
                    I can't stand those titles. I gave Naruto a serious try, but I threw the shit out after about 10 episodes. It was so mindnumbingly dull that it made me cry. Only the fact that they have fights lasting over several episodes speaks volumes about its story progression.

                    If you want to watch some decent action anime, why not try "Samurai Deeper Kyo", "Tenjou Tenge" or "Ikkitousen" (perv alert for the last two though). Even "Airmaster" is easilly heaps better than Naruto.

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                    • #11
                      I was gonna start a topic about Dragonball the other day. Im addicted to it for the last 2 months. Watched about 400-430 episodes during the period.

                      What Vince says is partly true. I mean the story is good and all but the episodes are way too slow. Everything takes ages and its frustrating after 400 episodes I dont even know why i keep watching it. There is something about it.

                      My record is 27 episodes in one day...(Yep..I can hear you say 'Sad Wanker!)'. Which is something like 10 hours of solid watching. The best thing to do when you are hanging like a monkey from a heavy night out.
                      If your mum stabbed ya you wouldnt get upset... You would say ' Ohhh shit mum stabbed me! I better go to a hospital'. - Chopper

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                      • #12
                        On one hand, I don't care for episodes in one character's life that drag on and on endlessly, but on the other, I never really cared for the "save the world in 25 minutes" that American action cartoons provided.

                        Anime have become more like American soap operas - one character's personal story is told throughout the run of the series (however many episodes) and if it gets extended into another season, more elements are introduced and they span the entire season. While I do like the storytelling of it, sometimes it's a bit cliche and the "action" is thrown in for filler (read: they're Japanese so they have to be martial arts masters).

                        One I've gotten into recently is Trinity Blood, but there's no Anime shop around here and WalMart (where i bought 3 of the Chapters) is highly inconsistent - I have Chapters 1, 3, and 4, but they never got in Chapter 2, so I have to try to catch them on Adult Swim, and that screws up the continuity since you're seeing important plot elements and character introductions after already seeing those elements and characters further into the story.

                        Worst one I've ever seen was Neon Genesis Evangelion. Good God, that was an atrocity. Whiney-ass 16 year olds are the Earth's ONLY hope to defend against total decimation, and they blow it. How in the hell did this series get popular? It sucked, and I've seen bad anime that was better than NGE.

                        DBZ is one I didn't like when I saw it, but then again the way things are chopped up for the American market has a lot to do with it. They try to conform it to the standard Bugs Bunny/Flintstones/GI Joe format (i.e. everything is done in 20 minutes between McDonald's commercials) and it just doesn't lend itself to that kind of butchery. Only in the last few years with things like Adult Swim and such have they actually taken the time to show these series in their original formatting, but even many of them are butchered.

                        Back when Robotech was popular (mid-late 90s) they were actually butchering 3 different yet similar shows. Macross II and Macross Plus are still my favorites. Never did get to see all of the original Macross series (or I don't recall, since Robotech was pretty much Macross-after-the-meat-grinder).

                        I've been trying to follow a couple on the Cartoon Network - Blood+ and one I can't remember the name of - small kid with a sword fighting some big guy with a big sword and bells on his spiky hair - that's the only episode I ever see. Kid spends half the show trying to deal with the big guy's "spiritual pressure" (another Chi/Chakra type thing). It's yawnable when all they show are the same 3 episodes.

                        Once in a while I'll catch an episode of Fist Of The North Star (or New Fist....) but lately it's been the same 3 episodes over and over.

                        Anime needs to be represented in America by Anime fans, not by corporations that try to "tailor it to suit the American palette".
                        I want to depart this world the same way I arrived; screaming and covered in someone else's blood

                        The most human thing we can do is comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable.

                        My Blog: http://newcenstein.com

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                        • #13
                          Finished watching the last episode of Dragonball Z today...

                          Im so happy its finished... Now i can socialise like a normal human being

                          I spent 8151 minutes of my life (135 hours) and gained a big FUCK ALL!!!

                          Damn you TV
                          If your mum stabbed ya you wouldnt get upset... You would say ' Ohhh shit mum stabbed me! I better go to a hospital'. - Chopper

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                          • #14
                            Newc, I think the one on CN you're talking about is Bleach.

                            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleach_anime

                            Took a few episodes, but my wife & I got into it. Pretty cool story line and the amount of detail to the characters & "universe" is crazy, but they do keep re-running it without getting to the end of the arc. Supposedly there are about 160 episodes and they only show up to about #50 on CN, then start over. That story line is supposed to go for another 10 episodes or so from what I've read.

                            Trinity Blood looked really cool, but I only got to see a few episodes. Another cool one they're showing now on CN is Death Note. Fullmetal Alchemist, Ghost in the Shell, & Samurai Champloo were others that we liked.

                            As for DBZ, I couldn't ever watch more than a couple minutes of it. The animation style put me off. It just seems too much like one of those kiddie shows that push merchandise. I'm sure there's more to it, but I couldn't get into it. Same for Inuyasha.

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                            • #15
                              Trinity Blood started off pretty strong but then petered out IMO - the guy turns into the Super Vampire at least once in each of the first 4 or 5 episodes, but then all of a sudden it's all about the human drama with lots of gunplay and dude doesn't do his trick for several consecutive episodes. They dwell on the politics and the Catholic mythology aspects too much and completely abandon the Mecha aspects.

                              Full Metal Alchemist also doesn't seem to be going anywhere. I've seen the recap of how they became how they are, and a few episodes around that, but then they start repeating.
                              Granted I don't watch them every day because I work nights and have other things to do.

                              Ghost in the Shell.... I saw the movie a few years back and liked it, then caught a few of the mangas, so going from the "beginning to end" in a 90 minute feature, then the more sexually explicit volumes of the manga, and then to the series, it seems a bit watered down and choppy.

                              I've got a couple of the Standalone Complex 2nd Gig dvds, but they're not sequential, and it's certainly not the complete season (thanks again to WalMart's inconsistent stock nature).
                              I want to depart this world the same way I arrived; screaming and covered in someone else's blood

                              The most human thing we can do is comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable.

                              My Blog: http://newcenstein.com

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