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  • The truth about global warming.... it's the SUN, stupid!

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...ixnewstop.html

    Global warming has finally been explained: the Earth is getting hotter because the Sun is burning more brightly than at any time during the past 1,000 years, according to new research.

    A study by Swiss and German scientists suggests that increasing radiation from the sun is responsible for recent global climate changes.

    Dr Sami Solanki, the director of the renowned Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research in Gottingen, Germany, who led the research, said: "The Sun has been at its strongest over the past 60 years and may now be affecting global temperatures.

    "The Sun is in a changed state. It is brighter than it was a few hundred years ago and this brightening started relatively recently - in the last 100 to 150 years."

    Dr Solanki said that the brighter Sun and higher levels of "greenhouse gases", such as carbon dioxide, both contributed to the change in the Earth's temperature but it was impossible to say which had the greater impact.

    Average global temperatures have increased by about 0.2 deg Celsius over the past 20 years and are widely believed to be responsible for new extremes in weather patterns. After pressure from environmentalists, politicians agreed the Kyoto Protocol in 1997, promising to limit greenhouse gas emissions between 2008 and 2012. Britain ratified the protocol in 2002 and said it would cut emissions by 12.5 per cent from 1990 levels.

    Globally, 1997, 1998 and 2002 were the hottest years since worldwide weather records were first collated in 1860.

    Most scientists agree that greenhouse gases from fossil fuels have contributed to the warming of the planet in the past few decades but have questioned whether a brighter Sun is also responsible for rising temperatures.

    To determine the Sun's role in global warming, Dr Solanki's research team measured magnetic zones on the Sun's surface known as sunspots, which are believed to intensify the Sun's energy output.

    The team studied sunspot data going back several hundred years. They found that a dearth of sunspots signalled a cold period - which could last up to 50 years - but that over the past century their numbers had increased as the Earth's climate grew steadily warmer. The scientists also compared data from ice samples collected during an expedition to Greenland in 1991. The most recent samples contained the lowest recorded levels of beryllium 10 for more than 1,000 years. Beryllium 10 is a particle created by cosmic rays that decreases in the Earth's atmosphere as the magnetic energy from the Sun increases. Scientists can currently trace beryllium 10 levels back 1,150 years.

    Dr Solanki does not know what is causing the Sun to burn brighter now or how long this cycle would last.

    He says that the increased solar brightness over the past 20 years has not been enough to cause the observed climate changes but believes that the impact of more intense sunshine on the ozone layer and on cloud cover could be affecting the climate more than the sunlight itself.

    Dr Bill Burrows, a climatologist and a member of the Royal Meteorological Society, welcomed Dr Solanki's research. "While the established view remains that the sun cannot be responsible for all the climate changes we have seen in the past 50 years or so, this study is certainly significant," he said.

    "It shows that there is enough happening on the solar front to merit further research. Perhaps we are devoting too many resources to correcting human effects on the climate without being sure that we are the major contributor."

    Dr David Viner, the senior research scientist at the University of East Anglia's climatic research unit, said the research showed that the sun did have an effect on global warming.

    He added, however, that the study also showed that over the past 20 years the number of sunspots had remained roughly constant, while the Earth's temperature had continued to increase.

    This suggested that over the past 20 years, human activities such as the burning of fossil fuels and deforestation had begun to dominate "the natural factors involved in climate change", he said.

    Dr Gareth Jones, a climate researcher at the Met Office, said that Dr Solanki's findings were inconclusive because the study had not incorporated other potential climate change factors.

    "The Sun's radiance may well have an impact on climate change but it needs to be looked at in conjunction with other factors such as greenhouse gases, sulphate aerosols and volcano activity," he said. The research adds weight to the views of David Bellamy, the conservationist. "Global warming - at least the modern nightmare version - is a myth," he said. "I am sure of it and so are a growing number of scientists. But what is really worrying is that the world's politicians and policy-makers are not.

    "Instead, they have an unshakeable faith in what has, unfortunately, become one of the central credos of the environmental movement: humans burn fossil fuels, which release increased levels of carbon dioxide - the principal so-called greenhouse gas - into the atmosphere, causing the atmosphere to heat up. They say this is global warming: I say this is poppycock."
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  • #2
    We really need to destroy that damned Sun once and for all.
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    • #3
      ...but....but...but....
      The guy who invented the internet says it's George Bush's fault!

      Who's the REAL decider here?

      I heard it's Hitlery's temper that's raising the temperature.

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      Ever since it's been getting warmer. What the hell is wrong with these people who say it's human's fault? The earth cycles through these changes since the dawn of time and Al Gore has the BALLS to say it's our fault it getting hotter? What a dick.:ROTF:
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      • #4
        It's my fault. I left the stove on.

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        • #5
          It's everybody's fault.We always idolized sun and now that smartass thinks he can burn us.
          I wish my hair-color was EDS :/

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          • #6
            funny how seemingly intelligent people ignore the facts or look at global warming frome a political perspective and not scientific and think that humans have nothing to do with the environment and the effects of global warming. Forget about Al Gores movie and all bullshit press...look into the facts and make up you own minds
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            • #7
              FWIW it has been documented that venus is seeing much of the same types changes in weather and climate....
              Don't worry - I'll smack her if it comes to that. You do not sell guitars to buy shoes. You skimp on food to buy shoes! ~Mrs Tekky 06-03-08~

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              • #8
                Since the dawn of time man has yearned to destroy the sun. I will do the next best thing. I will block it out...............

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                • #9
                  its cyclical. always has been alwasy will be. Even a real greenhouse changes over time in a predictable cycle. having said that - let still wpork the keep the planet clean and get off the oil standard.

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                  • #10
                    It's mighty scary our whole existance hinges on some violently burning planet that could seemingly just explode any time really... Let alone a slight change in it's temps would destroy everthing really... ugh...

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Accept2 View Post
                      Since the dawn of time man has yearned to destroy the sun. I will do the next best thing. I will block it out...............
                      haha classic episode
                      "I hate these filthy neutrals! With enemies, you know where they stand. But with neutrals... who knows? It sickens me!"

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Accept2 View Post
                        Since the dawn of time man has yearned to destroy the sun. I will do the next best thing. I will block it out...............

                        Well there's some B-I-G arses big enough to block out the sun totally!

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                        • #13
                          xeno, i appreciate the article. i looked it up and it's well regarded.

                          so let's accept that warming is cyclical and some of it's beyond our control, but that some *part* of it is contributed by humans (i *believe* that skeptics make this concession). Bush's position is *exactly* this.

                          if there is so much at stake with even a few inches in rise of the oceans, why are skeptics so against doing what we *can* to reduce the effects? Is that not a reasonable course of action? Does it really cost us economic growth? Even Bush wants us to find alternate fuel sources and increase conservation efforts.

                          What I do see in the debate is that established big corporations (specifically the oil companies) have a lot of money on the line if people even consider the possibility that they can have some positive effect.

                          I don't see where the big payoff is for the other side of the argument. When Inhofe was *recently* asked who was making money on the global warming hysteria, he answered "The Weather Channel...they want to increase their ratings". Yes, look it up.
                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A

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                          • #14
                            It also helps to read the whole article, rather than just the title and the first couple of sentences. The scientists didn't write those. What they did actually say in the less exciting part of the article:

                            "Dr Solanki said that the brighter Sun and higher levels of "greenhouse gases", such as carbon dioxide, both contributed to the change in the Earth's temperature but it was impossible to say which had the greater impact."

                            "Dr David Viner, the senior research scientist at the University of East Anglia's climatic research unit, said the research showed that the sun did have an effect on global warming. He added, however, that the study also showed that over the past 20 years the number of sunspots had remained roughly constant, while the Earth's temperature had continued to increase. This suggested that over the past 20 years, human activities such as the burning of fossil fuels and deforestation had begun to dominate 'the natural factors involved in climate change', he said."

                            Could the increase in solar output be the main culprit? I think it could, but I also think you could argue that it makes it all the more important not to amplify the effect by adding more greenhouse gases at the same time.

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                            • #15
                              Yeah, the sun cycles.

                              But we are still contributing to global warming, but we are not the sole cause.


                              Theres truth to every version I've researched.

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