This has finally arrived and being prepped for the trip home!

[ZL1hawk]

Regarding cabs it depends on what you are going for. Here is what I would do.
If the amp is unforgiving.. you need to add some sizzle to it. Sizzle will smooth out the rough tight edges. Sizzle will allow you to go back to your normal picking angle. I know exactly what you are talking about regarding that.
For maximum sizzle and perceived "sag" I would suggest a Marshall 1960A cab loaded with stock V30's. Any good quality cab loaded with V30's will work.
If you want less sizzle... look at Peavey 5150 cabs loaded with stock Sheffields. They sizzle but they have bottom end thump too.
If you want even less sizzle... go with Celestion T75's.

The other guitar player I jam with uses Mesa Rectifier cabs and has a Marshall 1960A I can use for a few songs, I have to stop overlooking Marshall cabs. I used them years ago and they always served me well. The Carvin I'll definitely check out too.

[jgcable]

Regarding cabs it depends on what you are going for. Here is what I would do.
If the amp is unforgiving.. you need to add some sizzle to it. Sizzle will smooth out the rough tight edges. Sizzle will allow you to go back to your normal picking angle. I know exactly what you are talking about regarding that.
For maximum sizzle and perceived "sag" I would suggest a Marshall 1960A cab loaded with stock V30's. Any good quality cab loaded with V30's will work.
If you want less sizzle... look at Peavey 5150 cabs loaded with stock Sheffields. They sizzle but they have bottom end thump too.
If you want even less sizzle... go with Celestion T75's.

Another cab to look at believe it or not is a stock Carvin 4 x 12 Legacy cab. The Carvin Legacy to my ears sounds ALOT like a Bogner amp. The Legacy is voiced for that tone.

[jgcable]

Regarding cabs it depends on what you are going for. Here is what I would do.
If the amp is unforgiving.. you need to add some sizzle to it. Sizzle will smooth out the rough tight edges. Sizzle will allow you to go back to your normal picking angle. I know exactly what you are talking about regarding that.
For maximum sizzle and perceived "sag" I would suggest a Marshall 1960A cab loaded with stock V30's. Any good quality cab loaded with V30's will work.
If you want less sizzle... look at Peavey 5150 cabs loaded with stock Sheffields. They sizzle but they have bottom end thump too.
If you want even less sizzle... go with Celestion T75's.

[roodyrocker]

I'm using the TJ (I can't get myself to call it an Uberschall) right now in an Avatar traditional cab with V30's and being a traditional cab the side walls are very thin. Avatar's have always been great cabs for me but you can tell there is that thick wooded cabinet sound missing from the tone. Maybe I'm just hearing things but I'll wager the Bogner's do much better with more modern built cabs.

I'll probably just buy an Ubercab.

My only Avatar cab is a 2x12 which I've run with a Dr. Z Maz Jr combo amp. Never tried it with any of my Bogners. The only non-Bogner cab I've tried with my Bogners was a friends 4x12 which had a mix of 60w Celestions and I forget what else was in there but I used my Ecstasy head with it. It sounded good too.

[ZL1hawk]

I'm using the TJ (I can't get myself to call it an Uberschall) right now in an Avatar traditional cab with V30's and being a traditional cab the side walls are very thin. Avatar's have always been great cabs for me but you can tell there is that thick wooded cabinet sound missing from the tone. Maybe I'm just hearing things but I'll wager the Bogner's do much better with more modern built cabs.

I'll probably just buy an Ubercab.

[roodyrocker]

Yeah roody the cleans are usable but that's about it, definitely not for recording but practice or live you can work with them. It is a psycho reveling in their madness kind of amp though. The amp is addictive too.

What do you think of a cab w/ G12T75's and Creambacks in an X-pattern?

I've never used that combo of speakers so I don't know how they would sound. But the Uber seems very forgiving setting wise and can wise, at my EL34 ones are. So I don't think its going to sound bad no matter what. I don't see too many people using it with Greenbacks but I did in an 80's band and it worked well. I mainly use the Uberkab though. Mainly cause I have one in white, as well as a black one, and I have an Uber Rev Blue in a white headshell. I call that Uber half stack my Revision White

[ZL1hawk]

Yeah roody the cleans are usable but that's about it, definitely not for recording but practice or live you can work with them. It is a psycho reveling in their madness kind of amp though. The amp is addictive too.

What do you think of a cab w/ G12T75's and Creambacks in an X-pattern?

[roodyrocker]

I'd be glad to talk Bogners/Uberschalls any time ZL1Hawk keep in mind however that there are some big differences between the Uber Rev 2 and Rev Blue vs. the TwinJet. The biggest difference being the former two are EL34 while your TJ runs KT88's. Also, on the other versions prior to the TJ there was no depth/presence/master subsection (the 3 smaller knobs on the front of your TJ).
The clean channel isn't bad on my Rev Blue and Rev 2, its just that you really have to crank the volume pretty much all the way up in live gigging situations or it'll get burried volume wise by the high gain channel. And the high gain channel doesn't really clean up well enough to roll down the guitar's volume for cleans either. But that high gain channel is glorious at what does Also, even though tube amps tend to sound better turned up I would say Bogners in general have a pretty good master volume. They sound good even at low volume. My Rev Blue wad once used at an outdoor big gig in tandem with a Dual Recto. Each guitar player was running two simultaneous amps. They were turned up more than I usually run them at. That Rev Blue Uber simply ate up the Dual Recto. It was simply huge sounding.

[ZL1hawk]

[ZL1hawk]

I feel your pain veemagic. Those are the worst situations.


I've only had the TJ for an evening but this isn't my first tube amp so let's review this pig. I bought the Bogner from Matt and Jay over at Matt's Music and they took excellent care of me. I'm going to go back to the them for a Suhr within the next few weeks but thanks for the recommendation fellas to buy my amp at Matt's.

This Twin Jet on the other hand has a story similar to what most of you have encountered quite a bit over your musical adventure's. The 'ol High Gain 2 channel job which pretty much means 1 channel sucks and is useless and the other channel is cool but it can never really take you to your destination, if you follow my meaning. Because of this I'll talk about the amp covering 2 channels.

Your very first impression of channel 1 is going to be similar to "oh shit dude that's terrible, I hope nobody actually heard that!" but I did find out rather quickly you can get good cleans out of this sucker which doesn't matter because I hate cleans and never use them unless my band makes me do it. The wet FX loop Bogner chose to use on this thing will dirty up your cleans anyway, like a Gremlin, also any high output humbucker will toss some filth on the cleans, so that should cover cleans. For the rest of channel 1 you Fender types wielding strats and Tele's should be able to find a surprising number of tones to your liking, whether or not they are good enough I can't say but channel 1 can be a lot of fun just to chase some sounds and it is very effects friendly as well. Plenty of Hard Rock packed away in that channel too. Yes the FX loop can dirty up your cleans but you can tweak around that.

Now channel 2 is where the fun is supposedly at but right away you run in to the tight nature of this Bogner and it doesn't sound like an Uber. If you guys favor sagy tone you'll dislike the TJ. Most here would describe it as unforgiving and I think it works easier with an OD (I know go figure!) used as a clean boost. It is however as aggressive as described, not Uberschall like, but a crazy amplifier all its own. Did I bother to mention it's 150 watts? Well it is! A friend of mine had to ask me to turn the G force down, poor bastard had no idea.

You have a Global Depth control, a Master Presence, and Master Volume along with volume and presence controls in each channel with the bass, mid, treble, and gain also in their own channel. 4 KT88 Power Amp Tubes and 6 12ax7 Pre Amp Tubes make up the guts and receives my seal of approval so far. Over time how it develops may change my mind about that but it really is a pleasure to have one.

A few oddities about the Twin Jet:

1. It forced me to change my picking angle. To keep a solid crunch and stay aggressive I had to flatten out my pick a little more than usual. Strange boutique amp shit I tell ya.

2. The KT88's don't seem to warm up when on standby. It's when you turn that amp on and start jamming that the 88's get hot! Those things make a ton of noise, not when you play, but when you shut everything down those big torpedoes snap crackle and pop for 3 hours.

3. Dat's allota preamp toobs!

4. I've always found KT88's to be a little stubborn to work with in the sense I can get close to my sound but sometimes the 88's just take their sweet time to wake up.

Sorry I'm rambling. What do you guys think for cabs?

Roody mentioned Greenbacks, I'm kinda wavering on G12T75's combined with either Creamback 65's or V30's in one of those Avatar cabs.

What do you guys think?

[veemagic]

Congrats on the Uber! I've never played a twin jet, but I had a first gen that Rudy is talking about. I had to sell it, and it is one of those pieces of gear that I kick myself for selling. It was that good! Live or home, didn't matter. Bogner makes great stuff!

[ZL1hawk]

Roody we got some talking to do because my amp just showed up so I'm going to have a ton of questions for you guys.

[roodyrocker]

One of these days you'll have to go ove the revisions with me so when people ask me about them I don't give out the wrong info.

They used to have a list of the changes on Bogner's website. I haven't been there in a while so I don't know if its changed. I never had the 1st version. Many feel Revision 2 is the most aggressive. There were some gain taper changes made to the gain pot on the Rev Blue. They also added a loop co trol knob on the back of the amp at some point in 2004. Bogner used to list this date in the manuals and on the website. You could even use this knob as a boost in reverse. Set it up so that you cut it through the loop knob. There fore when you turn the boost button off on your footswitch you'd get the real channel volume (in effect a boost compared to loop on with knob down). On the TwinJet they used different power tubes I believe plus they added the 3 smaller knobs you see all the way to the left in the front of your amp. They tried to get both the clean and distortion channels closer in volume. On the other versions there is a mismatch in volume between the two because there is so much gain on the distortion channel. I usually have to run my clean channel volume nearly full up live! Anyway, the Uber is an easy amp to dial in even though the controls are interactive. It just doesn't sound bad no matter where you set it. Also, the gain knob is useable anywhere in its range. Some amps start to lose definition and fart out when the gain knob is set beyond a certain point. Not so on my Uberschall, they smoke no matter where you turn the gain knob up to I usually run mine at around 1:00 O'clock for 80's hard rock/metal either through my Bogner 4x12 with Celestion Greenbacks or my Uberkab with an X pattern of V30's and 75w Celestions. Both sound good

[ZL1hawk]

Wait...there is a master presence and then a presence knob on each channel? Strange.

[ZL1hawk]

Congrats! I love Bogner amps. I was at NAMM the year Bogner had the prototype Uber Twin Jet on display. In fact Reinhold was explaining to us the new smaller additional knobs at the time. My Uberschall are Revision Blue and Revision 2. There is no such thing as a bad sounding Uber

One of these days you'll have to go ove the revisions with me so when people ask me about them I don't give out the wrong info.