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    Default Quick direct-mount question

    My Kiesel ST300 came with direct-mounted pickups. I'm now interested in the Duncan SH-6 for the bridge.

    Well, since my pups are already direct-mounted (using the middle screw on each side), can I just drop the SH-6 right in? Or is there something I'm not understanding?

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    Yes, it should drop right in no problem. Carvin used to use two mounting screws on each side (and later two on one side) to help stabilize the pickup and prevent it from wobbling/rocking back and forth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toejam View Post
    Yes, it should drop right in no problem. Carvin used to use two mounting screws on each side (and later two on one side) to help stabilize the pickup and prevent it from wobbling/rocking back and forth.
    Thanks! That's what I had ASSumed (which sometimes gets me in trouble). Now to decide between the SH-6 vs a JB.
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    One other question.... did my USA Soloists come with the SH-4 or the TB-4? All I've ever heard is "JB."

    EDIT: Never mind. The Jackson website says it's a TB-4.
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    No problem. I think Duncan even makes some trem-spaced pickups that have three holes on each side, also.

    I'd probably go Distortion over JB, as the JB is hit or miss to me, but I've never actually used a Distortion in one of my guitars. If you want more output and less high-mid spike, then the Distortion should work quite well. Check out the Duncan forum for some great info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PowerTube View Post
    One other question.... did my USA Soloists come with the SH-4 or the TB-4? All I've ever heard is "JB."

    EDIT: Never mind. The Jackson website says it's a TB-4.
    Yeah, TB-4 is trembucker JB and SH-4 is standard spacing JB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toejam View Post
    No problem. I think Duncan even makes some trem-spaced pickups that have three holes on each side, also.

    I'd probably go Distortion over JB, as the JB is hit or miss to me, but I've never actually used a Distortion in one of my guitars. If you want more output and less high-mid spike, then the Distortion should work quite well. Check out the Duncan forum for some great info.
    Thanks. I'm still looking into it. Believe it or not, I prefer the C22B in my DC600's over the Kiesel Lithium in the ST300. The C22B has a certain sweet "sting" to it that the Lithium lacks.

    Oh, and one other thing... I've always been a bit leery of running "distortion" pickups. Some of them tend to lack clarity.
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    Should I have any concerns about the screw threads not matching?
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    The C22 and M22 series were nice pickups. And I don't think there should be an issue with the threads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toejam View Post
    The C22 and M22 series were nice pickups. And I don't think there should be an issue with the threads.
    Thanks again. TB-4 JB is on the way, $60.00 after applying Amazon Awards points.

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    Most direct mount pickups I've seen had the pickup mounting screw hole reamed out so that they can no longer be used in a regular mount. Unless you solder a nut to the hole. FYI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DonP View Post
    Most direct mount pickups I've seen had the pickup mounting screw hole reamed out so that they can no longer be used in a regular mount. Unless you solder a nut to the hole. FYI.
    Thanks. That's not a problem for me because I'll never need to use the new TB-4 in anything but the Carvin.
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    Update: Did the swap tonight and I wish I had done it two years ago. The Kiesel Lithium isn't a bad pickup, but I'm just really used to the sound and response of a JB.
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    Now I'm thinking about getting a black one for one of the DC600's:



    Nothing against the Carvin C22B pickup either, but I'll bet a Duncan would really bring it to life.
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    Cool. Glad it worked out for you. And that Carvin there is like looking in the beautiful Pacific Ocean in Hawaii!
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    Quote Originally Posted by toejam View Post
    Cool. Glad it worked out for you. And that Carvin there is like looking in the beautiful Pacific Ocean in Hawaii!
    Thanks. I'm now excited about doing the JB thing on it as well.

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    Well, this sucks.....sort of..... The Duncan sounds great in the ST300, BUT.... I discovered two things:

    1. Both pickups are alive when I switch it fully to the neck position. Not a tragedy because I sort of like the blend, and I rarely use the neck position anyway.

    2. The position one back from the neck on the 5-way switch is totally dead. I've never used that position in my life for any real purpose, so maybe I shouldn't care either way?

    Both situations bug me somewhat, but again, I love the sound of the Duncan in the bridge position.

    The wiring diagrams on Duncan's site for "2 Hum, 1 Volume, 1 Tone, 5-Way switch" are for two Duncan pups, not a Duncan combined with a Kiesel or anything else. (sigh) What I would give for some simple and accurate wiring instructions. Hell, I can't even seem to find the wiring for the Kiesel Lithium on its own.

    But anyway, I may decide to take it to a "pro" at some point, if there is such a thing around here, which is doubtful.

    I'm not too down and out about this, but any advice is appreciated.
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    Success! I FINALLY found a wiring color code for the Kiesel, or more accurately, I finally confirmed that it's the same as their 22-pole traditional pups.

    All is well and I even went ahead and added a kill switch.

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    Cool. Glad you got it up and running.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toejam View Post
    Cool. Glad you got it up and running.
    Thanks. Once I have a bit of time I'm going to explore adjusting the heights of the pole pieces. Sad to say, that's a tweak I've always been negligent about.
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