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  • Stupid myths & lies in Jackson/Charvel world? eg: Ft. Worth plates = USA made

    Semi-fun, semi-serious topic.

    What are the worst misconceptions and ignorant pieces of information that get perpetuated in Jackson/Charvel world? Also, provide the correct information to clear the air.

    Here are some that I see perpetuated on J/C groups on Facebook constantly. It's an unwinnable war trying to educate people repeatedly.

    Uninformed: My late-80s (or early 90s) Charvel guitar has a neckplate that has a 6 digit serial number and the location says Forth Worth, Texas. So it's an American-made guitar.
    Correction: The Forth Worth address is an office address. These guitars were made in Japan.

    Uninformed: 96xxxxx, 97xxxxx, 98xxxxx serial numbers on Japanese Jacksons = made in 1996, 1997, and 1998.
    Correction: This era of Japanese Jacksons had serial numbers that didn't represent the year. The serial numbers ran sequentially. To find the precise date, remove the neck from the body, and look at the date stamps on the neck heel and in the neck pocket.

    Uninformed: Here is my 1988 SL1, 1992 RR1, etc.
    Correction: The modern SL1 / RR1 production model names didn't exist until 1996. From 1990 to 1995, they were production models bearing names such as Soloist Custom, Rhoads Custom, Dinky Custom, etc. and had different hardware compared to their post-1996 successors. Prior to 1990, they would have been custom guitars and could have had a wide array of specs. If you know for certain your SL1-like guitar was made before 1996, you would look far less ignorant if you simply called your guitar a "1988 Soloist" rather than a "1988 SL1".

  • #2
    Well, NOT Historically Insightful, but you folks may find this funny - ha ha, or funny - odd.

    I had, since the 1st time I saw one, always thought
    all Jackson Guitars had " upside down necks with
    shark teeth "
    Then, as I met more musicians, I thought all Charvel Guitars were made with " 1 double stack pickup "

    And, until just a few years ago, I would have sworn
    Jackson and Charvel were ALWAYS
    Made In America, and ALWAYS would be.

    I had, for the longest time, thought there was a shop with a few dozen people, who would take orders and make each one, per order, from start to finish,
    and only Celebrity Musicians with loads of cash could order [ JacksonCharvel or Jackson or Charvel ]
    them.

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    • #3
      To agree:
      Fort Worth Texas is USA builds.
      96/97/98 serial numbers means 1996, 1997, and 1998.

      I'd also toss out there - Ontario, CA are made in Ontario Canada.
      *This one also applies to Roland Keyboards. Which was actually furthered confused for certain dealers (I was one for a bit) during certain years because one of their hubs was in Ontario Canada, which meant most of the staff and reps were also Ontarian

      Dinky = some sort of starter guitar. maybe a 3/4 size?
      Which, isn't helped by the design statement of "a Dinky is a 7/8 Stratocaster size".



      My other complaints, I would actually not group as lies or myths which have been repeated often enough to be assumed as truth, but would call them misconceptions by individuals.
      Which are simple things like =
      Look at my DK2 - even though I could clearly see the "performer" written on the headstock.
      Or every guitar with a reverse headstock is a Dinky Reverse.
      Just the little stuff that we see on the 2nd hand sales sites.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by pianoguyy View Post
        Dinky = some sort of starter guitar. maybe a 3/4 size?
        Which, isn't helped by the design statement of "a Dinky is a 7/8 Stratocaster size".
        Thanks for the reminder! There's the infamous, "A Dinky is 7/8ths the size of a Soloist." 🤣

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Number Of The Priest View Post

          Thanks for the reminder! There's the infamous, "A Dinky is 7/8ths the size of a Soloist." 🤣
          but that isn't a myth/lie. it is the company line.
          it may not be a precise measurement (our tests were just based on an traced outline, not a full cubic measurement), but it is close enough to be accepted. IMO




          *EDIT
          I misread that. I thought you repeated my statement of "7/8 Strat", not Soloist.
          Last edited by pianoguyy; 06-12-2020, 10:17 AM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by pianoguyy View Post

            but that isn't a myth/lie. it is the company line.
            it may not be a precise measurement (our tests were just based on an traced outline, not a full cubic measurement), but it is close enough to be accepted. IMO
            Yeah, the Dinky is definitely a scaled down body. I read somewhere that the Dinky came from work with DeMartini trimming the soft edges off a stock Strat body shape. But that might also be a lie/myth.🤣
            Last edited by CaptNasty; 05-30-2020, 10:49 PM.

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            • #7
              the misinformation that people spread is mindboggling...i left the fb group after some 20 something year old thought he could "school me" on the guitars i had been playing since 1987...in another group another tried to call my 25th gc anniversary dinky "a piece of s**t and a fake because it doesn't have mop sharkfin inlays" (he owned 2 japanese dk2's)...sorry i don't have time for that kind of stuff...d.m.
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              • #8
                True or myth: The late 80s's/early 90's Fender HM Strat was designed by Wayne Charvel.

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                • #9
                  The 98xxxxx thing is most aggravating to me as it has people thinking their DK2s and DKMGs are somehow “ vintage” guitars and they want to overprice them.
                  Maybe it was different years ago, but I see people generally catching on that their old Charvel Model series aren’t actually made in the USA. They still like to overprice them tho.
                  Current gear: Jackson Concert Ex, Charvel Fusion Custom

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Number Of The Priest View Post

                    "A Dinky is 7/8ths the size of a Soloist." 🤣
                    Countless hours I wasted arguing with fools online about this WHILE I WAS HOLDING EACH MODEL IN MY FRICKIN HANDS. lol
                    Though, how could you blame them? Their evidence is Jackson catalogues telling them they're correct.

                    I wonder if the catalogues still describe the Dinky as a scaled down Soloist? I can't be bothered to check.

                    The 9xxxxxx serials are by far the most common misconception I've seen.
                    Ironically, the wording used in an otherwise fantastic post about serials on this very forum was the root of many people's confusion.
                    "Circa '96 the serials began at 9600000 and went up sequentially 97, 98..." or, something to that effect.
                    I can see that being misleading.


                    96xxxxx, 97xxxxx and 98xxxxx serials oftentimes don't indicate '96, '97 and '98.

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