12-26-2007, 04:23 PM #1
RRxxxx's using bar string retainers?
How common is it to see a custom shop RRxxxx delivered with a bar string retainer? Ever seen one?
My personal view is that every tilt-back Jackson headstock should have one. Weird question, I know.
12-26-2007, 04:37 PM #2
If you want it so badly, I'll just buy you oneI wish my hair-color was EDS :/
12-26-2007, 04:41 PM #3
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There is really no need for one on a tilt back headstock that has a locking nut.If I buy a guitar with one that has a tilt headstock I take it off.I noticed kirk hammet has taken all his off his esps as well.
12-26-2007, 04:51 PM #4
And if you find a guitar with one, it sometimes is a sign that it has had it's JT6 or Kahler behind-the-nut string lock converted to a Floyd-style nut. Some installers have put the string bar on there through ignorance and/or trying to hide the now-empty screw holes for old Kahler-style lock.
12-26-2007, 05:14 PM #5
I don't agree. My 1997 Rhoads Pro and 1987 Soloist CS could use a string retainer (no big problem though). When locking the clamps for the low E and A string, it goes slightly sharp because the strings are not sitting flat on the locking nut base. The part of the string that is nearest the tuners is hovering just slightly over the locking base and when tightening the clamp fully, it presses on this part of the string = sharp.
A retainer would make the string have contact over the whole length of the locking base.
As a result I almost always tune my low E and sometimes my low A slightly flat with open clamps, because they will go sharp when tightening the clamps. I've talked with several Jackson guitarists having the same problem.
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12-26-2007, 05:22 PM #6
The reason I asked about RR's in particular is because I was stunned when I saw that RR0030 has a retainer (aftermarket mod?):
12-26-2007, 05:32 PM #7
I don't think that it's an aftermarket mod. It's probably a one-off or somethin' like that.I wish my hair-color was EDS :/
12-26-2007, 05:35 PM #8
I think it's probably an aftermarket mod. I did the same thing to an old Yamaha I had.I feel my soul go cold... only the dead are smiling.
12-26-2007, 05:41 PM #9
12-26-2007, 05:45 PM #10
Okay. :ROTF: Maybe it is a strange one-off... or something like those weird Taiwan or Indonesia Jacksons that had a sharkfin inlay on the 24th fret.I feel my soul go cold... only the dead are smiling.
12-26-2007, 06:10 PM #11
Much betterI wish my hair-color was EDS :/
12-26-2007, 06:29 PM #12
I tend to agree with Toe on this one. It looks like it was a bit tricky getting it to fit due to the size and position of the truss rod cover. The mounting screws are set at pretty extreme angles.Sleep!!, That's where I'm a viking!!
12-26-2007, 11:14 PM #13
Wow, RR0030? We need full guitar pix pleaseRudy
12-26-2007, 11:29 PM #14
I've noticed that not all tilt headstocks are equal. I'm used to my USA Jacksons not going sharp when I lock the nut, but...when I tried to set up a RX10D (with a tilt headstock): it did in fact go a bit sharp when I locked it down."How can less be more? It's impossible! More is more." -Yngwie
12-26-2007, 11:44 PM #15
12-26-2007, 11:48 PM #16"How can less be more? It's impossible! More is more." -Yngwie
12-26-2007, 11:52 PM #17
The fine tuners should be in the middle of their range when putting on new strings, that way you have room to move both ways to compensate for flat or sharp strings.I feel my soul go cold... only the dead are smiling.
12-27-2007, 05:26 AM #18
I hate string retainers, they cause lots of time loss while re-stringing & they never work for me. My Jacksons without the retainer go a tad (if any) sharp when I lock the nut and all the Ibanezs I've had with the friggin retainers always go sharp when I lock the nut. DUH