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Guitardude86
08-05-2006, 06:36 PM
I've heard there are fake Charvels (and Jacksons) being sold, especially online.. What I want to know is:
How do I know I'm holding a fake? It would kill me if I found out my Charvel was a fake, I don't think it is, but how do I know?

Thanks in advance

Drsracing
08-05-2006, 06:37 PM
They're all fake, there's actually no charvel or Jackson. You're in the Teilight Zone right now




(Take above as a joke Only)

Drsracing
08-05-2006, 06:38 PM
What is your charvel?? Pics serial, Bolt ons are easy to fake, but Neck thrus are reallya waste, to hard

jeff300
08-05-2006, 06:39 PM
Stick around here long enough, read enough posts, and you'll learn all you need to know.

(Seriously, there's no simple "look for x" answer.)

VitaminG
08-05-2006, 06:43 PM
look out for logos handwritten in magic marker. That's a sure sign...

Guitardude86
08-05-2006, 06:51 PM
Hmm, now I'm even more confused.. I thought a fake Charvel was a guitar not produced by the company.. But now my head is spinning lol..
Yeah, I've got a lot to learn, I just bought my first Charvel.
What exactly IS a fake Charvel then? Sorry if I'm asking stupid questions, but I know there's been some legal disagreements between Charvel and Jackson over the years, and I'm wondering if maybe that's got something to do with it?

Somebody educate me! hehe

Drsracing
08-05-2006, 06:51 PM
Also if your Neck plate is made out of a cracker it probally a fake

Drsracing
08-05-2006, 06:52 PM
wow Um

People build parts guitars and Some Loser/Dumbasses try to pass them off as Real charvel Jacksons

Guitardude86
08-05-2006, 06:58 PM
Ok, well they have a Charcel exactly like mine at the local guitar shop, so I seriousely doubt mine is a fake.. I guess I could post a pic if anyone's interested..? Please bear with me, I'm new here:rolleyes:

Drsracing
08-05-2006, 07:02 PM
If you wanna emaila pic I can host and put it up

mcgrathktm@yahoo.com

Also We're just having fun, Not making fun of you :)

rjohnstone
08-05-2006, 07:02 PM
:pics:

Post pics... front and back.

charveljunkie
08-05-2006, 07:03 PM
fake charvels are the ones i don't own :)

dannyr
08-05-2006, 07:04 PM
Post some pics of your Charvel and the experts should be able to tell if it's real or fake. What do you have?

Drsracing
08-05-2006, 07:07 PM
The real $$ is in faking Hondo's

VitaminG
08-05-2006, 07:08 PM
but I know there's been some legal disagreements between Charvel and Jackson over the years, and I'm wondering if maybe that's got something to do with it?

You've been misinformed. They are two sides of the same company, not two companies in partnership. Charvels were initially the hotrodded super strat type dealio, Jacksons were the state-of-the-art neckthru headcutting machine. Charvel then became the import arm and Jackson remained US. Then Jackson imports were introduced and gradually the Charvel imports disappeared. Now Charvel appears to be getting back to what they do, which is offering a kickass hotrodded guitar to compliment the high-gain pointy Jacksons. They rarely cross over into each other's territory

Guitardude86
08-05-2006, 07:15 PM
Thanks for clearing that up VitaminG:) See, I'm learning lots of useful facts already;)

Drsracing
08-05-2006, 07:21 PM
http://www.tigzy.com/gallery/d/32687-1/IMG_1000.JPG

http://www.tigzy.com/gallery/d/32690-1/IMG_1005.JPG



wow Cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What's the Plate Say????

Guitardude86
08-05-2006, 07:26 PM
Thanks for putting up the pic for me:)
I'll check the neckplate tomorrow cause the guitar's in my bedroom now and if I wake up my gf she'll probably kill me, lol..
The guy I bought it from told me it was made in Japan though, and I think he's right cause the one at the musicshop looking like mine is.

straycat
08-05-2006, 07:30 PM
model A+ MIJ very high quality guitar.Maybe a journeyman model looking at the trem.Anyone else

Drsracing
08-05-2006, 07:32 PM
Fuck I'm wrong again. Oh well. The A's were nice, Real Duncans and all

toejam
08-05-2006, 07:37 PM
That's real. It's called a "Standard". It's a Japanese model made around 2002 when they brought the Charvel line back. Now they're discontinued since they started the USA line again.

toejam
08-05-2006, 07:45 PM
model A+ MIJ very high quality guitar.Maybe a journeyman model looking at the trem.Anyone else
Nope. I've got the little brochure/catalog here. It's a Standard, and it's got a Duncan JB in the bridge and Jazz in the neck. The Model A Plus has the JT580LP Floyd and is H/S/S.

The Journeyman does have the vintage-type trem, but it's only got one humbucker.

Guitardude86
08-05-2006, 07:51 PM
Thanks dude:)
So how good are the Japanese guitars compared to the U.S. guitars?
I'm not complaining about mine, 'cause I think it's perfect in every way:)
Just wondering if there are really major differences between them?

mm2002
08-05-2006, 08:42 PM
Seriously, the main difference between those axes and USA built axes is the price. Just play the shit out of it and enjoy your savings!

straycat
08-05-2006, 08:46 PM
Toe thanks for the info. These Charvels are the ones I know the least about.I have that catalog around here somewhere but where is the problem.

skorb
08-05-2006, 10:33 PM
Charvels were initially the hotrodded super strat type dealio, Jacksons were the state-of-the-art neckthru headcutting machine. They rarely cross over into each other's territory
don't take it the wrong way, but I would challenge that last statement a bit. I would prefer they didn't cross over, but they did bigtime with the high-end Charvel model series, Charvel neck through dinkys with sharkies and binding? those were Jacksons with a Charvel logo on them.

I prefer the classic full size strat Charvels with dots, rather than the dinky Jacksons with sharkies. just how I roll, yo. :eyemouth:

VitaminG
08-05-2006, 10:57 PM
you could say the same thing about the Jackson JRS's - they're full size strat bodied bolt-ons, Wilkinson trems, 22 frets, etc.

But neither were available for very long, considering the 25 years both lines have been alive.

Guitardude86
08-06-2006, 04:40 PM
Ok, the serial-number on the neckplate of my Charvel is as follows:

02040066

What does the digits mean?
Thanks in advance!

JACKSONFREAK
08-06-2006, 05:48 PM
The fake Charvels your probably hearing about are the "Vintage" San Dimas Charvels especaily the Strat headstock models. Those are more likely to be faked and passed off as a real San Dimas charvel as apposed to the Imports. Althogh there is condusion on the imports too. BTW Any older charvel that has the Fort worth texas neck plate is an import.
Gil

wilkinsi
08-07-2006, 08:38 PM
there's plenty of fake jacksons and charvels - just look for "from china" on ebay :lol:

Bengal65
08-07-2006, 09:06 PM
With the Chinese influx of guitars, they are now making Jackson clones.:eek: See my post in the eBay section.

RacerX
08-07-2006, 09:46 PM
Ok, the serial-number on the neckplate of my Charvel is as follows:

02040066

What does the digits mean?
Thanks in advance!

Hmmm, I had always thought an 8 digit serial starting with zero denotes a Made In India.... maybe the plate was switched?

slash
08-07-2006, 11:49 PM
The MIJ Model A and the A+ both had Ebony boards... I'm just guessing but maybe a Standard????

slash
08-07-2006, 11:51 PM
That's real. It's called a "Standard". It's a Japanese model made around 2002 when they brought the Charvel line back. Now they're discontinued since they started the USA line again.

Doh.... I should have read the second page before posting :sleeping:

Hamner1
08-08-2006, 12:15 AM
I thought the first two digits of the serial indicated the year of production... but I could be wrong.

And yeah it is most likely that the Charvels & Jacksons you hear about being faked are the San Dimas era guitars (late 70's - early-mid 80s)

Guitardude86
08-08-2006, 06:21 AM
Hmmm, I had always thought an 8 digit serial starting with zero denotes a Made In India.... maybe the plate was switched?

Does that mean my plate has been switched with a plate made in India? The plate has the Charvel logo on it by the way..
As far as I know Charvel don't make guitars in India, right?
Does that mean I've got a real Charvel with a fake neckplate then?
Sounds rather strange to me:/

Zerberus
08-08-2006, 06:27 AM
What is your charvel?? Pics serial, Bolt ons are easy to fake, but Neck thrus are reallya waste, to hard

Well, not really, as there are more than enough set neck Knockoffs that could be "relogoed" and modded a bit, such as the ernandes Rhoads and the Vester + JB player Soloists.

Fortunatey, the forgers donīt seem to have realized this yet ;)


....Sorry if I'm asking stupid questions, but I know there's been some legal disagreements between Charvel and Jackson over the years, and I'm wondering if maybe that's got something to do with it?...

This is wholly incorrect, as Jackson and Charvel are merely 2 different brands produced by the exact same company. Like the way Kraft also makes a lot of the stuff you can buy at Aldi, it just doesnīt say Kraft. But the quality is the same, as are the people making it.

Guitardude86
08-08-2006, 06:57 AM
Well, not really, as there are more than enough set neck Knockoffs that could be "relogoed" and modded a bit, such as the ernandes Rhoads and the Vester + JB player Soloists.

Fortunatey, the forgers donīt seem to have realized this yet ;)



This is wholly incorrect, as Jackson and Charvel are merely 2 different brands produced by the exact same company. Like the way Kraft also makes a lot of the stuff you can buy at Aldi, it just doesnīt say Kraft. But the quality is the same, as are the people making it.

Thanks, I've had so much misinformation you wouldn't believe it.. So thanks for telling me the truth guys!
Preach;)

txcharvel
08-09-2006, 08:18 PM
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JacksonRR
08-14-2006, 11:35 PM
Sorry for post here, but any1 please help me identify this Jackson/Charvel
here is foto
[http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/9784/img0371qh7.th.jpg (http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0371qh7.jpg)
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/3710/img0374qt5.th.jpg (http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0374qt5.jpg)

JacksonRR
08-14-2006, 11:42 PM
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/2349/1qb3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Thanks

Guitardude86
08-15-2006, 04:03 AM
Sweet guitar JacksonRR!
My neckplate doesn't even say "By Jackson/Charvel" under the Charvel logo:/

Guitardude86
08-16-2006, 07:25 PM
That's right, my necklate doesn't say "by Jackson/Charvel" under the Charvel-logo... Isn't it supposed to say that, if it's MIJ anyway?
Or have I gotten my facts wrong again lol...
Well, I'm confused, would like to sort this out

VitaminG
08-16-2006, 08:11 PM
That's right, my necklate doesn't say "by Jackson/Charvel" under the Charvel-logo... Isn't it supposed to say that, if it's MIJ anyway?

nope


Or have I gotten my facts wrong again lol...

yup :lol:

As time has passed, the cast neckplates got simpler and less informative. Eventually, to the point where they did away with the cast neckplates altogether and newer imports usually have a boring plain neckplate. I haven't done an exhaustive investigation into neckplate timelines & history, etc, but my '92 Jackson Fusion Plus still has the cast neckplate, but without the Ft Worth address that we rely on to indicate that the Model series Charvels aren't actually MIA. By the mid-90s, cast plates were gone and we had to use other tells (eg. the serial format, or spacing of 12th fret dots) regarding an import Jackson or Charvel's origins

dg
08-16-2006, 08:30 PM
Sorry for post here, but any1 please help me identify this Jackson/Charvel
here is foto
[http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/9784/img0371qh7.th.jpg (http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0371qh7.jpg)
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/3710/img0374qt5.th.jpg (http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0374qt5.jpg)

Wow, a 24-fret bolt-on dinky, Schaller, sharkies, but with the guitar-shaped logo? I'm thinking Japan-market only. How about one of the Super Dinky models? Check out the '89 SDK-100-SH here:

http://www.audiozone.dk/CatalogScans/JapanOnly/JC1989/pages/JCJapOnlyPage08.htm

I think that might be it.

JACKSONFREAK
08-16-2006, 09:29 PM
Predator (3DR) with a swapped out model 4 neck..

VitaminG
08-16-2006, 09:34 PM
Model 4s have 22 frets...

dg
08-16-2006, 10:40 PM
Yep, that was the biggest detail. 24 frets (on a bolt-on) with sharkies & that logo = Japan market guitar. The toggle switch between the knobs for the JE-1000 also matches the Super Dinky. If it were any color but black, the matching headstock + old logo would be another clue.

JACKSONFREAK
08-23-2006, 08:41 PM
Duh I didnt even count the frets till now. LOL im gettin rusty at this. I guess thats what happens when you dont come here as mush as you used to.. :(
or im just gettin old.. yeah that must be it.
Gil